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of　Judge　Douglas's　instrumentality　in　this。）　He　held　this　office

a　considerable　time；　and　when　we　were　at　Freeport　the　other　day

there　were　handbills　scattered　about　notifying　the　public　that

after　our　debate　was　over　R。　S。　Molony　would　make　a　Democratic

speech　in　favor　of　Judge　Douglas。　　That　is　all　I　know　of　my　own

personal　knowledge。　　It　is　added　here　to　this　resolution；　and

truly　I　believe；　that　among　those　who　participated　in　the　Joliet

Convention；　and　who　supported　its　nominee；　with　his　platform　as

laid　down　in　the　resolution　of　the　Convention　and　in　his　reply　as

above　given；　we　call　at　random　the　following　names；　all　of　which

are　recognized　at　this　day　as　leading

Democrats：



〃Cook　County；E。　B。　Williams；　Charles　McDonell；　Arno　Voss；

Thomas　Hoyne；　Isaac　Cook。〃



I　reckon　we　ought　to　except　Cook。



〃F。　C。　Sherman。

〃Will；Joel　A。　Matteson；　S。　W。　Bowen。

〃Kane；B。　F。　Hall；　G。　W。　Renwick；　A。　M。　Herrington；　Elijah

Wilcox。

〃McHenry；W。　M。　Jackson；　Enos　W。　Smith；　Neil　Donnelly。

La　Salle；John　Hise；　William　Reddick。〃



William　Reddick！　　another　one　of　Judge　Douglas's　friends　that

stood　on　the　stand　with　him　at　Ottawa；　at　the　time　the　Judge　says

my　knees　trembled　so　that　I　had　to　be　carried　away。　　The　names

are　all　here：



〃Du　Page；Nathan　Allen。

〃De　Kalb；Z。　B。　Mayo。〃



Here　is　another　set　of　resolutions　which　I　think　are　apposite　to

the　matter　in　hand。



On　the　28th　of　February　of　the　same　year　a　Democratic　District

Convention　was　held　at　Naperville　to　nominate　a　candidate　for

Circuit　Judge。　　Among　the　delegates　were　Bowen　and　Kelly　of　Will；

Captain　Naper；　H。　H。　Cody；　Nathan　Allen；　of　Du　Page；　W。　M。

Jackson；　J。　M。　Strode；　P。　W。　Platt；　and　Enos　W。　Smith　of　McHenry；

J。　Horssnan　and　others　of　Winnebago。　　Colonel　Strode　presided

over　the　Convention。　　The　following　resolutions　were　unanimously

adopted；the　first　on　motion　of　P。　W。　Platt；　the　second　on

motion　of　William　M。　　Jackson：



〃Resolved；　That　this　Convention　is　in　favor　of　the　Wilmot

Proviso；　both　in　Principle　and　Practice；　and　that　we　know　of　no

good　reason　why　any　person　should　oppose　the　largest　latitude　in

Free　Soil；　Free　Territory　and　Free　speech。



〃Resolved；　That　in　the　opinion　of　this　Convention；　the　time　has

arrived　when　all　men　should　be　free；　whites　as　well　as　others。〃





＇Judge　DOUGLAS：　What　is　the　date　of　those　resolutions？＇





I　understand　it　was　in　1850；　but　I　do　not　know　it。　　I　do　not

state　a　thing　and　say　I　know　it；　when　I　do　not。　　But　I　have　the

highest　belief　that　this　is　so。　　I　know　of　no　way　to　arrive　at

the　conclusion　that　there　is　an　error　in　it。　　I　mean　to　put　a

case　no　stronger　than　the　truth　will　allow。　　But　what　I　was　going

to　comment　upon　is　an　extract　from　a　newspaper　in　De　Kalb　County；

and　it　strikes　me　as　being　rather　singular；　I　confess；　under　the

circumstances。　　There　is　a　Judge　Mayo　in　that　county；　who　is　a

candidate　for　the　Legislature；　for　the　purpose；　if　he　secures　his

election；　of　helping　to　re…elect　Judge　Douglas。　　He　is　the　editor

of　a　newspaper　＇De　Kalb　County　Sentinel＇；　and　in　that　paper　I

find　the　extract　I　am　going　to　read。　　It　is　part　of　an　editorial

article　in　which　he　was　electioneering　as　fiercely　as　he　could

for　Judge　Douglas　and　against　me。　　It　was　a　curious　thing；　I

think；　to　be　in　such　a　paper。　　I　will　agree　to　that；　and　the

Judge　may　make　the　most　of　it：



〃Our　education　has　been　such　that　we　have　been　rather　in　favor　of

the　equality　of　the　blacks；　that　is；　that　they　should　enjoy　all

the　privileges　of　the　whites　where　they　reside。　　We　are　aware

that　this　is　not　a　very　popular　doctrine。　　We　have　had　many　a

confab　with　some　who　are　now　strong　'Republicans'　we　taking　the

broad　ground　of　equality；　and　they　the　opposite　ground。



〃We　were　brought　up　in　a　State　where　blacks　were　voters；　and　we

do　not　know　of　any　inconvenience　resulting　from　it；　though

perhaps　it　would　not　work　as　well　where　the　blacks　are　more

numerous。　　We　have　no　doubt　of　the　right　of　the　whites　to　guard

against　such　an　evil；　if　it　is　one。　　Our　opinion　is　that　it　would

be　best　for　all　concerned　to　have　the　colored　population　in　a

State　by　themselves　＇in　this　I　agree　with　him＇；　but　if　within　the

jurisdiction　of　the　United　States；　we　say　by　all　means　they

should　have　the　right　to　have　their　Senators　and　Representatives

in　Congress；　and　to　vote　for　President。　　With　us　'worth　makes　the

man；　and　want　of　it　the　fellow。'　We　have　seen　many　a　'nigger'

that　we　thought　more　of　than　some　white　men。〃



That　is　one　of　Judge　Douglas's　friends。　　Now；　I　do　not　want　to

leave　myself　in　an　attitude　where　I　can　be　misrepresented；　so　I

will　say　I　do　not　think　the　Judge　is　responsible　for　this

article；　but　he　is　quite　as　responsible　for　it　as　I　would　be　if

one　of　my　friends　had　said　it。　　I　think　that　is　fair　enough。



I　have　here　also　a　set　of　resolutions　passed　by　a　Democratic

State　Convention　in　Judge　Douglas's　own　good　State　of　Vermont；

that　I　think　ought　to　be　good　for　him　too：



〃Resolved；　That　liberty　is　a　right　inherent　and　inalienable　in

man；　and　that　herein　all　men　are　equal。

〃Resolved；　That　we　claim　no　authority　in　the　Federal　Government

to　abolish　slavery　in　the　several　States；　but　we　do　claim　for　it

Constitutional　power　perpetually　to　prohibit　the　introduction　of

slavery　into　territory　now　free；　and　abolish　it　wherever；　under

the　jurisdiction　of　Congress；　it　exists。

〃Resolved；　That　this　power　ought　immediately　to　be　exercised　in

prohibiting　the　introduction　and　existence　of　slavery　in　New

Mexico　and　California；　in　abolishing　slavery　and　the　slave…trade

in　the　District　of　Columbia；　on　the　high　seas；　and　wherever　else；

under　the　Constitution；　it　can　be　reached。

〃Resolved；　That　no　more　Slave　States　should　be　admitted　into　the

Federal　Union。

〃Resolved；　That　the　Government　ought　to　return　to　its　ancient

policy；　not　to　extend；　nationalize；　or　encourage；　but　to　limit；

localize；　and　discourage　slavery。〃



At　Freeport　I　answered　several　interrogatories　that　had　been

propounded　to　me　by　Judge　Douglas　at　the　Ottawa　meeting。　　The

Judge　has　not　yet　seen　fit　to　find　any　fault　with　the　position

that　I　took　in　regard　to　those　seven　interrogatories；　which　were

certainly　broad　enough；　in　all　conscience；　to　cover　the　entire

ground。　　In　my　answers；　which　have　been　printed；　and　all　have　had

the　opportunity　of　seeing；　I　take　the　ground　that　those　who　elect

me　must　expect　that　I　will　do　nothing　which　will　not　be　in

accordance　with　those　answers。　　I　have　some　right　to　assert　that

Judge　Douglas　has　no　fault　to　find　with　them。　　But　he　chooses　to

still　try　to　thrust　me　upon　different　ground；　without　paying　any

attention　to　my　answers；　the　obtaining　of　which　from　me　cost　him

so　much　trouble　and　concern。　　At　the　same　time　I　propounded　four

interrogatories　to　him；　claiming　it　as　a　right　that　he　should

answer　as　many　interrogatories　for　me　as　I　did　for　him；　and　I

would　reserve　myself　for　a　future　instalment　when　I　got　them

ready。　　The　Judge；　in　answering　me　upon　that　occasion；　put　in

what　I　suppose　he　intends　as　answers　to　all　four　of　my

interrogatories。　　The　first　one　of　these　interrogatories　I　have

before　me；　and　it　is　in　these　words：



〃Question　1。If　the　people　of　Kansas　shall；　by　means　entirely

unobjectionable　in　all　other　respects；　adopt　a　State

constitution；　and　ask　admission　into　the　Union　under　it；　before

they　have　the　requisite　number　of　inhabitants　according　to　the

English　bill；　〃…some　ninety…three　thousand；…〃　will　you　vote　to

admit　them？〃



As　I　read　the　Judge's　answer　in　the　newspaper；　and　as　I　remember

it　as　pronounced　at　the　time；　he　does　not　give　any　answer　which

is　equivalent　to　yes　or　no；I　will　or　I　won't。　　He　answers　at

very　considerable　length；　rather　quarreling　with　me　for　asking

the　question；　and　insisting　that　Judge　Trumbull　had　done

something　that　I　ought　to　say　something　about；　and　finally

getting　out　such　statements　as　induce　me　to　infer　that　he　means

to　be　understood　he　will；　in　that　supposed　case；　vote　for　the

admission　of　Kansas。　　I　only　bring　this　forward　now　for　the


purpose　of　saying　that　if　he　chooses　to　put　a　different

construction　upon　his　answer；　he　may　do　it。　　But　if　he　does　not；

I　shall　from　this　time　forward　assume　that　he　will　vote　for　the

admission　of　Kansas　in　disregard　of　the　English　bill。　　He　has　the

right　to　remove　any　misunderstanding　I　may　have。　　I　only　mention

it　now；　that　I　may　hereafter　assume　this　to　be　the　true

construction　of　his　answer；　if　he　does　not　now　choose　to　correct

me。



The　second　interrogatory　that　I　propounded　to　him　was　this：



〃Question　2。Can　the　people　of　a　United　States　Territory；　in　any

lawful　way；　against　the　wish　of　any　citizen　of　the　United　States；

exclude　slavery　from　its　limits　prior　to　the　formation　of　a　State

Constitution？〃



To　this　Judge　Douglas　answered　that　they　can　lawfully　exclude

slavery　from　the　Territory　prior　to　the　formation　of　a

constitution。　　He　goes　on　to　tell　us　how　it　can　be　done。　　As　I

understand　him；　he　holds　that　it　can　be　done　by　the　Territorial

Legislature　refusing　to　make　any　enactments　for　the　protection　of

slavery　in　the　Territory；　and　especially　by　adopting　unfriendly

legislation　to　it。　　For　the　sake　of　clearness；　I　state　it　again：

that　they　can　exclude　slavery　from　the　Territory；　1st；　by

withholding　what　he　assumes　to　be　an　indispensable　assistance　to

it　in　the　way　of　legislation；　and；　2d；　by　unfriendly　legislation。

If　I　rightly　understand　him；　I　wish　to　ask　your　attention　for　a

while　to　his　position。



In　the　first　place；　the　Supreme　Court　of　the　United　States　has

decided　that　any　Congressional　prohibition　of　slavery　in　the

Territories　is　unconstitutional；　that　they　have　reached　this

proposition　as　a　conclusion　from　their　former　proposition；　that

the　Constitution　of　the　United　States　expressly　recognizes

property　in　slaves；　and　from　that　other　Constitutional　provision；

that　no　person　shall　be　deprived　of　property　without　due　process

of　law。　　Hence　they　reach　the　conclusion　that　as　the　Constitution

of　the　United　States　expressly　recognizes　property　in　slaves；　and

prohibits　any　person　from　being　deprived　of　property　without　due

process　of　law；　to　pass　an　Act　of　Congress　by　which　a　man　who

owned　a　slave　on　one　side　of　a　line　would　be　deprived　of　him　if

he　took　him　on　the　other　side；　is　depriving　him　of　that　property

without　due　process　of　law。　　That　I　understand　to　be　the　decision

of　the　Supreme　Court。　　I　understand　also　that　Judge　Douglas

adheres　most　firmly　to　that　decision；　and　the　difficulty　is；　how

is　it　possible　for　any　power　to　exclude　slavery　from　the

Territory；　unless　in　violation　of　that　decision？　　That　is　the

difficulty。



In　the　Senate　of　the　United　States；　in　1850；　Judge　Trumbull；　in　a

speech　substantially；　if　not　directly；　put　the　same　interrogatory

to　Judge　Douglas；　as　to　whether　the　people　of　a　Territory　had　the